Dear Captain,
Like 12 years ago, I (she/her) met a guy (he/him) online dating. He was perfect on paper and I felt sparks, which isn’t very common for me. Due to some mental health stuff he was very open about, he was super flaky. We’d get together a few times, then he would disappear for months. We ended up in that cycle for a while – having a great time for a bit before extended periods of silence. He was always kind, gentle, and non-judgmental and was doing his best. I ended up feeling very strongly connected to him, in a way that I haven’t with most other people.
In late 2015, he discovered that a) a different mental health diagnosis better fit his symptoms, and b) he had late-stage cancer and would be starting aggressive treatment. Things were not smooth sailing, cancer-wise. In summer 2016, he got in touch late in the evening and said he needed some support. I headed over to his neighbourhood and we went for a walk and talked for hours. Things got deep and we both shared a lot. There was some vodka (both of us) and some drugs (him) involved. He was waiting for some test results and expected them to be bad. We ended up in a small park in the middle of the night and things got a bit mutually flirty. And then the heavens opened up and we were caught in a sudden, intense rainstorm. Captain, it was the most romantic thing that has ever happened to me. Anyway, we both (him first) expressed interest in touching, made out under a bridge, then went back to his place and naked fun ensued.
A day or two later, I invited him to mine for more no-strings-attached fun. (Bad idea, since I had caught feelings). He enthusiastically agreed, but cancelled before we met up, saying he wasn’t really up to being around people. I assumed he got the test results back and his fears had been confirmed. This time, the silence lasted over three years. I reached out every few months, but never got a response. It broke my heart. I started to wonder if he had cared about me at all. So I stopped reaching out and put him out of my mind. About a year ago, I looked online to see if he was even still alive. I found an obituary, but it was for his girlfriend, who had died unexpectedly a few months prior. I left that man alone.
Then a few days ago, after a tough few weeks – and a dream in which I hit it off with, then got ghosted by Jason Mantzoukas – I was cycling past where he used to live, and got all up in my feelings. I went back to that park, cried, and sat on the grass until my foot got numb and it started to get cold. There’s not much to find online, but I don’t see an obituary. I found a picture that I think is relatively recent and he looks good. Like, lookin’ good, but also looking healthy.
So. Where does casually* reaching out fall on a scale from 1 to This is Bad News Bears and Everyone Knows It But Me? *Saying I was randomly thinking about him recently and asking how he’s doing. No Feelingsbombs.
I know that, usually, when someone stops talking to you, they don’t want to. Is it worth considering he might be too embarrassed about how things went down to reach out? Is there a legitimate possibility that things could be different now, if he is cancer-free and his mental health is mostly under control? Or am I deluding myself because of strong feelings and an idealized relationship that I’ve imagined?
Unbreak My Heart
Dear Unbreak My Heart,
Oh noooooooooooooooooooo.
Hi, it’s me, guest Curator-At-Large for the International Shitshow Museum. I’ve reviewed your application for inclusion in our traveling exhibit titled “Did You Break My Heart Or Did I Do It Myself? Studies In Wishful Thinking” and before I deliver the final verdict I’d like to invite you to view a short piece from my personal archives.
Once upon a time in my college teaching days, a student asked me to greenlight a 50-page shooting script for his final film in my first-semester production course. His was a sweeping, epic tale with 12+ speaking roles set across multiple time periods and multiple locations in Chicago and the surrounding suburbs. His crew consisted of himself, and he planned to shoot the whole thing in two days. To give you sense of scope, it was a class for beginners, the assignment was to make a five-minute film with a crew of 3-4 classmates to cover camera, lights, sound, art department, and production with equipment that could be checked out for a max of three days. The industry default assumes that one page of screenplay = roughly one minute of screen time, and exceptions usually translate to way more screen time (and production time) per page. Just search for “dream ballet” at this link and you’ll understand.
By this point in the semester, the project had gone through several rounds of notes and revisions where instructors and peers gently and not-so-gently encouraged him to trim the story down. Perhaps he could extract some key scenes that could be realistically shot now as proof of concept for a longer piece later? Maybe something that took place in a single time period and required just one or two locations? The student was having exactly none of it. He was going to do it his way or no way, and we could either greenlight him (by giving him the approval paperwork to check out equipment) or not.
My co-instructor was adamant that we should not approve the project in its current form. The student needed to learn that the ability to stick to a brief was part of being a professional, and that it was necessary to kill some darlings in the name of getting things done. My counter-argument was twofold:
1) This wasn’t “the industry,” and we weren’t the studio or the clients. As teachers, we could enforce a few safety protocols and make it clear that we’d only screen X minutes of any project during class time and base our grading on that excerpt, but the students were the sole investors in and authors of their work, and they had final say about what they made.
2) More importantly, there’s no teacher like experience. If you don’t believe me that trying to shoot a 50-page period piece in two days with a crew of one is a bad idea, and you’ve successfully talked 12 actors into showing up to the 9 locations where you’re attempting this Herzogian feat, then who am I to stand in your way? Either your harsh lessons will meet you later, in the editing room, without me needing to say another word about it, or I will get to witness a miracle. Here’s your paperwork, try to have fun out there.
All this to say: You are probably correct that “Hey, are you still in the old neighborhood? Want to grab a drink sometime and catch up?” will probably strike a more believable –and vastly less worrisome– faux-casual note than “Hark! I was crying in the park we used to make out in, and then Jason Mantzoukas appeared to me in a dream and I had a sudden, unshakeable compulsion to stop lurking on your socials and actually DM you! I saw that your girlfriend’s dead, so does that mean you’re single?”
The key word in that paragraph was “faux.” This was never, ever casual for you, and even now you are theorizing stuff like “what if he’s too embarrassed about how he left things last time to reach out” as a way to avoid dealing with the reality that this “flaky,” inconstant man is actually incredibly consistent in his commitment to not playing a consistent role in your life. On review of the data:
“…he would disappear for months…”
“…extended periods of silence…”
“…cancelled before we met up…”
“…the silence lasted over three years…”
“…I reached out every few months, but never got a response….”
“…I looked online to see if he was even still alive…”
I’m so very sorry for whatever you’re going through that left you crying in the park where you once kissed in the rain. I’m sorry that you were willing to settle for breadcrumbs from someone who wasn’t really present for you even back when you were sorta maybe actually dating him. I’m sorry that the memory of someone who used a cancer scare to draw you into a one-night stand, flatly declined follow-up stands, and then ghosted you for the better part of a decade still has such a hold on you. I’m incredibly sorry that when your subconscious went hunting for love’s last known address, the closest thing it could find was hell’s A.I. generated rebound boyfriend, Maximum Derek. That was not what we call a good sign, like, buddy, even your subconscious is warning you not to get your hopes up here! You deserve so much better than this from love, which is not to say that you deserve a happy ending with this particular man. My unambiguous and unfiltered advice is to continue leaving him alone for the rest of time and redirect any and all efforts into other areas of your life, like therapy, or building strong friendships, or mitigating climate change. This man is not the problem or the solution to anything, he’s just a distraction, or a signpost that’s pointing you toward something else you need.
In the meantime: Yes, you are deluding yourself. Yes, you are idealizing this “relationship” in the same letter where you describe what actually went down with astonishing self-awareness, to the point that it makes me a little bit worried about you and not a zero amount of worried about him. Making a messy student film because you were overly ambitious has few consequences to anyone but yourself, whereas it’s actually deeply distressing to cut off contact with someone and realize that they’re still chasing you across time and space like Pepé le Peu. If I thought that reaching out one last time and hearing a decisive no would put this to bed, I’d tell you to rip the band-aid off already. But it took three years of total silence from him to shake you last time, then six more years went by, and you’re still this overly invested in whether this guy might be the love of your life? That does not make me feel confident that you would be able to accept his answer (or silence) any better this time. That said, it’s very good that you asked for help! You did that because you already know the right answer, and my help is that I want you to avoid upsetting him and hurting yourself, ergo, please keep leaving that man alone and go deal with whatever shit is making this seem like a good idea. Please.
If you, yourself, me, and your inner Jason Mantzoukas can’t convince you that opening this guy up to another round of unwanted pursuit and opening yourself up to another round of rejection is a bad idea, then I guess you’ll just have to reach out to him and see if he ghosts you even harder this time. Maybe you’ll be lucky, and he’ll give you a “no thanks” so clear and unambiguous that you’ll believe him the first time. Or maybe you’ll catch him in vulnerable, horny moment and he’ll dick around with your heart for a little while first. If I’m wrong, don’t forget to invite me to the wedding. I’ll leave a spot open for you in the Running With/Toward Scissors display just in case.
Ahoy, Captain!
My sister and I best friends, absolutely. We get along great and rarely have real fights. She’s looking to buy a house or a condo or a co-op or whatever she can afford. We live in a VHCOL area and she’s not having any luck.
She’s suggested we go in for a place together. I don’t want to for a couple of reasons. First, I want my own space without any family; if that means roommates, so be it. Second, she’s super private and wouldn’t want people visiting. I’d want to be able to invite friends and lovers (which is currently an issue anyway!) over to host and hang out and be a real space for community. Third, she absolutely wants to stay near the family home and I absolutely don’t want that. I don’t even want to stay in the area long term, but even if I did, I’d want to be further from home.
She’s starting to kind of push the idea. she thinks I’m silly for not putting down roots. She thinks it’s not practical to rent ever. she doesn’t believe that I’ll really leave home ever and I’m just delaying the inevitable, especially since i make a little more money and together, we might get an okay place.
how do I make her realize that I really, really, really do not want to move in together? An apartment might be okay, but she wants a forever home and I am not ready for anything forever right now.
Yours truly,
A Sister, Not A Roommate
Dear Sister Not Roommate,
I have good news: You don’t ever have to convince your sister that you don’t want to be roommates or that your reasons are good enough. So long as you don’t actually buy property together or become roommates, you get to win this argument forever. The boundary isn’t where you convinced her it was, it’s where you decided to put it. As long as your actions maintain it, it will hold.
Bad news, I know you want to get your sister to a point where she understands and agrees with your point of view so that she’ll stop pressuring you, but I’m not sure how realistic that is based on her behavior so far. You haven’t been ambiguous or unclear, and she’s still going strong.
From now on, if you can stop her before she gets going, do it. “Let me interrupt you right there. I already said no and I don’t want to rehash this again. New topic!”
If you can’t successfully divert her, be blunt, boring and consistent in your replies. Stop giving reasons or arguing your case. It didn’t work, and now the answer to why you don’t want to be roommates is because you don’t want to be roommates.
“But we’d be able to afford so much more if we pooled our funds.” “But I don’t want to.”
“But renting is silly when you could just buy something!” “But I don’t want to live with you or buy real estate right now.”
“But come on, you’re not really gonna leave home, are you? You’ll end up living with me eventually, so why not just do it now?” “Because I don’t want to.”
“But you know this is a great idea! Why are you being like this?” “Because I don’t want to live with you. What is unclear about that?”
“But we’re best friends!” “That doesn’t mean I want to live with you. We can be close friends who don’t live together.”
“Why are you being like this?” “Why are you pushing me to do something you already know that I don’t want to do?”
Try changing the subject again once you shut her down. If you try a couple of times and she won’t let you, cut the conversation short. It will feel very awkward and mean to cut a call or visit short without achieving some kind of resolution. It’s also already extremely awkward to deal with someone who doesn’t believe you about your plans for your own life and forces you to keep having the same argument again and again! There’s no removing awkwardness here, just redistributing it more equitably.
Pro-tip: Delete any real estate listings she sends you on sight, without responding. If you do this, she’s probably gonna pout and claim that she just wants your opinion or for you to see how cute some place is. Don’t fall for it. People who avidly want to move in with you tend to “just” spam you with adorable real estate listings the same way Jane Austen’s Emma “just” yeeted all the single people in her town at each other’s faces and I “just” sent Mr. Awkward photo after photo of adoptable kittens the summer we adopted Daniel and Henrietta: We’re hoping you’ll fall in love. There’s no talking to people when they’re in this frame of mind unless you’re willing to fall in love with whatever they’re in love with, be it an affordable place built for two with a decent Walk Score or the idea of love or a kitten named Daniel Striped Tiger with a little watch Photoshopped onto his wrist. If you say “I like the kitchen in that one” or deploy a thumbs up emoji, she’ll assume you meant “so that’s the one I’d rather live in with you like I promised I would, let’s get rolling on the paperwork” and you’ll have to have the whole argument again from the beginning.
If at any point, she says, “Fine, I’ll just stop sending you stuff since you obviously don’t care!” that is a victory. Let her flounce! Do not snatch defeat from its jaws by relaxing your filters! You care about her, but she’s made it so that you can’t safely care about her housing search without a lot of friction for you. Hold the line and trust that she can find someone else to go Zillowing with.
If she really won’t let up, you are probably going to have to fight about it. That fight won’t be about whether you should live together, because that’s already been settled. You told her no, and you don’t want to, so you won’t. The end. No, the eventual fight will be about how you gave her an answer and she kept trying to coerce you into getting her way. Sometimes that fight requires raised voices, cutting conversations short, and taking breaks from interacting. If the hundredth time you say “Oh, thanks, but I don’t want to be roommates” doesn’t make it through her wishful thinking field and on the 101st try you snap and yell at her to fucking drop it already? Get ready for your sister and any bystanders she can recruit from the rest of your family to treat you like you were the one who caused the conflict and then escalated it unforgivably.
If that happens, please know, it’s not because you did a bad job of explaining yourself and should have found different words. It’s because you consistently explained yourself just fine and the other person consistently decided to override your consent. Anger is a reasonable, logical response to someone who treats your consent like a passing inconvenience. I hope it doesn’t get to that point, but if it does, you can offer your sister a choice: There’s no universe where you end up living together, so does she want to live in the one where you live separately but stay close and enjoy your friendship, or the one where you keep having the same stupid fight over and over until you’d rather miss out on seeing her than have it even one more time? Let’s hope she makes good choices.
Hey Captain,
Long time reader, first time, etc.
I (he/him) was recently broken up with. She(/her) and I met about six months ago, and though neither of us was in a place to have a quickly-escalating relationship (we only ever saw each other about once a week) we had a strong connection and great chemistry, and I, for one, was getting very attached.
She broke up with me a few weeks ago, saying she was still very fond of me but there were two reasons not to continue:
1. She’s headed into a perhaps years-long period where she doesn’t feel able to sustain an intimate relationship.
2. The fact is, though we were very, very good for each other in this brief period of our lives, when the day comes that she seeks more of a long-term partner… we’re probably just not super compatible for that, for a variety of reasons.
I don’t think she’s wrong. I miss this relationship terribly, but I think it probably has run its course.
She and I would both really like to remain friends. But I’m pretty sure that for me, at least, I need to both grieve what we had and thoroughly let go of the hope that I’ll have it with her again someday before I can have a genuine friendship with her.
What I’m wondering is… how will I know when it’s time? What are some things to practice, or avoid, so I can “get over” this, well, as quickly as possible? I realize the futility of trying to rush my feelings, but I guess I’m also hoping I don’t have to wait the same length of time as our entire relationship, or longer, to start a friendship with her.
She’s left this ball firmly in my court, so it’s my own ability to process all this that I’m worried about.
It feels like I have to reach the point where I don’t really care if I have any kind of relationship with her again in order to have a friendship. Which is weird and frustrating! It feels like some kind of ancient parable, where in order to have what you desire you must first stop desiring it.
I don’t really want to stop desiring it, though. I guess I will, in time. Is it just that simple? Or is there more to becoming friends with an ex? It’s not something I’ve done successfully before—there were always either too many hurt feelings, or one or both of us weren’t actually over each other. I truly do want this person as a friend, even if we can never be more than that again. I don’t want to screw this one up. What do I do? Or not do?
Signed,
X
Dear X,
You were together for six months? Here is my prescription:
Tell her you’d love to be friends, but you need a clean break before that will really feel like a good idea, so you’ll be in touch in a few months.
Give yourself a few weeks to be sad and mope and listen to sad songs.
Then mute her socials and her number and spend the next six* months focusing on every aspect of your life that does not revolve around this lady. Resolve to excel at your field of study or work. Catch up with friends and family. If you have the means and the time, go visit people who are important to you who live far away. Get really good at some aspect of caring for yourself and daily living, like becoming a kickass home cook or setting up your living space exactly how you want it. Pick up a new sport or hobby or art project, or resurrect an old one. Volunteer for a cause you care about. If you feel ready to start dating again, go ahead and do that.
Every time you feel tempted to linger on her Instagram or other feeds or text “just to check in,” make it a habit to make plans with somebody else in your life who is a source of joy and connection. She’s not the only person who will ever like you, and everything that made you a cool, interesting person when you met her is still yours.
*Six is not a rule, merely a starting suggestion that you can take, leave, or adjust on the fly as you wish. **ALSO NOT A RULE, just a suggestion for starting point purposes.
At the end of the cooling off period, here’s where you start:
That’s my list. It’s not the only way to do it, but it’s the best way I’ve found so far. It’s officially the cruelest month where we celebrate poetry as a nation, so here’s an old favorite:
Friendship after Love by Ella Wheeler Wilcox.
Think about it… You can communicate with your neighbor. You can work on a budget with your accountant. You can argue with a coworker. You can go on an adventure with your best friend. You can set boundaries with your family. But the one thing that is sacred, that you share with no other person but your spouse, is sexual intimacy AKA your sex life!
For many married couples, sex was once this amazing opportunity to express love for one another. But oftentimes your sex life can become complicated, mundane, or even nonexistent. We’ve been there. We made many mistakes in the first several years of our marriage, but we were able to break out of our sexual rut and we now have a thriving sex life (at least most of the time because, let’s be honest, every marriage experiences those dips in sexual desire)!
#1 Show desire!
I intentionally chose this as the number one tip for good reason. Sexual intimacy is all about desire! If you’re annoyed, tired, or make comments like, “I’ll just lie here while you do your thing”, that’s a major turn off and it communicates to your spouse that you’re not really in the mood. Show them you want this! Show your spouse you want to please them and that you want them to please you!
#2 Write an erotic letter to your spouse
Spend a few minutes thinking about what you want to do to your spouse sexually. List the things you fantasize about and which body parts you love about them, and then write it all down. Read it to them and trust me – just talking about this will be a turn-on.
#3 Moan and use sensual breathing
Make an effort to be more vocal in the bedroom. If you like something, moan. If you really like something, try some sensual breathing so your spouse can hear it. It’s a major turn-on hearing your spouse moan and groan.
#4 Use your hands and tongue
A way to increase the intensity of oral sex is to use your hands at the same time you’re using your tongue. This takes some practice because it feels like a lot is going on at the same time. Just be sure your nails are filed and your hands are clean.
#5 Try edging
Edging is when you purposefully delay your orgasm. This is a challenging thing to do but once you try it, you’ll probably like it because it intensifies your orgasm. Once you stop penetration, give yourself about 20-30 seconds before continuing. Repeat this until you’re ready to orgasm.
#6 Try our 7-Day Sex Challenge
If you’ve never tried our sex challenge, you’re missing out. Each day you’ll watch a 1-2 minute video where we’ll give you a specific technique to incorporate in the bedroom. You’ll also get to hear our story of when we did our first sex challenge and it’s pretty funny!
Now that I got you all hot and bothered, I want to leave you with this one last reminder: the main goal for sex is connection. The orgasm, the sex position, the foreplay, the passion, the seduction… none of it matters as much as the emotional and physical connection you and your spouse will experience. If both of you feel loved, safe, and enjoy your time together, consider it a big win for your relationship.
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Written by Meygan Caston
Meygan Caston is the co-founder of Marriage365 and lives in Orange County, California with her husband Casey and their two children. She loves the beach, dance parties, writing, spa days, and helping couples connect in their marriage. Her life-long dream is to walk the Camino, have lunch with Brené Brown, and get on The Price is Right.
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Dear Captain—
I thought you might like a 100% abuse-free question, so here you go:
I have an older sister whom I love dearly. Sometimes we annoy each other, as sisters do, but our relationship is largely functional. However, there is a habit that my sister has that I’ve put up with for quite a while that has gotten worse over time. I seem to have reached the kind of breaking point that has me writing to advice columnists about it.
A little background: My sister is an artist in an unusual medium, so let’s just say she makes [things]. She’s been making [things] for a very long time. It’s not her full-time gig, but she does make some cash from it. A particular Person of Note bought a [thing] from her and from there a courtship blossomed and they’ve been happily married for over a decade.
Her husband is Kind Of A Big Deal in fandom, and knows a lot of other Big Deals. Some of them are even people-your-grandma-has-heard-of kinds of Really Big Deals. My sister has had a lot of encounters with Big Deals through my brother-in-law.
And now, the issue—my sister is a chronic name-dropper and humble-bragger about the Big Deals she’s met and dealt with. She likes to make and give [things] to Big Deals (and gets positive responses, don’t get me wrong) and will talk about how much they liked it. She will casually mention the people her husband knows and how well she knows them.
She’s always been this way, when I think about it. In ancient days when the word “fandom” had a slightly different meaning, our family (we have other siblings) were Kind Of A Small Deal in fandom at that time. She took pride in being an [our surname]. She’s even made a deal about being my sister! (I’ve had a few encounters with non-fandom Really Big Deals.)
I don’t know what she’s trying to prove to whom, and I’ve put up with it for a very long time so I’m not sure about the best way to ask her to knock it off. I’m not envious in any way—I take it in stride that she Knows People, and most of those Big Deals aren’t big deals to me. I’m happy for her, but I don’t care. Is there some way I can break such a long silence (decades!) and ask her to chill out about it?
Sincerely
Tired Little Sis
Dear Tired Little Sis,
If a random acquaintance you only bumped into occasionally were doing their best impression of Tahani from The Good Place or the fame-obsessed mom from The Other Two, I might drop you a link to The Best Time I Pretended I Hadn’t Heard Of Slavoj Žižek and tell you to have fun with it. If you say,“Right on! Remind me again, who is that?” every time she name-drops you’re not technically being rude, but you risk a) having to commit to the bit for the rest of your natural life and b) having her patiently explain who these people are to you for the rest of your natural life. This is unlikely to make you less irritated and it’s not exactly the kindest course of action, so we should probably find another way.
With any source of recurring minor annoyance within a relationship you’ve chosen to remain in, there are pretty much only ever three paths:
1. Speak up and see if the other person is willing to change their behavior or work with you on a compromise.
2. Decide that it’s not worth speaking up, do your best to tune it out, and focus on what you enjoy. Very useful for when you sense the person is unlikely or unable to change or that attempting the cure might be worse than the disease.
3. Adjust your own behavior over time and see if that results in getting more of what you want and less of what you don’t. You can’t control other people’s behavior, but you can adjust your exposure levels.
These are all incredibly context dependent and carry varying risks and degrees of difficulty. You don’t need me to continue right on with #2, so let’s focus on #1 Speak Up and #3 Adjust.
#1 is easy: In most situations I think directness is kindness, but in your case this isn’t where I would start. The degree of difficulty and risk/reward ratio of elevating a minor irritation about a minor, non-malicious personality quirk into lasting hurt feelings and a perpetually renewable argument seem incredibly not in your favor. In fact, I checked in the back and I’m all out of diplomatic ways to tell your sister that her enthusiasm for sharing her art with artists she likes, you know, that thing that forms a core piece of her identity, is honestly a little cringe and you wish she wouldn’t talk about it it so much. I’m a diplomat, not a sorcerer!
If you’ve ever seen The Good Place, then you’ll know that Tahani’s compulsive name-dropping is the saddest reminder that narcissism begins as a wound. Worst case, if this is an unconscious tic borne of insecurity or wanting to claim her rightful place in the pecking order of your famous-ish family, calling attention to it will make your sister even more self-conscious, but that’s unlikely to translate into the kind of self-awareness that would metabolize your attempt at constructive criticism into anything but a personal attack.
If this has less to do with insecurity (hers, at least) than it does with her impressive knack for self-promotion in a world where attention from better-known creators can be literal currency for emerging artists, then it will feel like you’re tearing her down every time she celebrates a success. And since she is actually friends with a lot of these people, it risks turning into the fight called, “Fine, I guess I just won’t tell you anything about my life, then. Sorry for assuming you’d be happy that I’m happy.” Nobody ever wins that fight. And, because this is a style preference/unconscious personality quirk where she’s not doing anything deliberate or malicious, it’s really hard to come at this without criticizing her entire personality. Nobody wins that fight, either.
My guess is that you know this and that’s why you haven’t tried bringing it up before. If your sister had a sense of humor about this and you were good at pushing each other’s buttons without smashing them, by now the two of you would have seventeen running in-jokes where you name-dropped increasingly famous people to the point that your whole family rolled their eyes at both of you. You always have the option of saying, “Hey, you’ve been telling me all about interesting people who aren’t here, but I came to hang out with the most interesting person in this room, right now, so can we talk less about your famous friends and more about my cool sister?” and seeing how it lands, just like you have the option of continuing to tune it out. Sometimes you just gotta let the chips fall and have the fight about it already. If you’re not sure, then maybe try out option #3, where you adjust how you react and see if it helps. I’m gonna tell you what to do and how to do it first, and then tell you why.
Allow me to suggest an experiment. The next time your sister does the thing where she gushes about how someone famous liked something she made, see what happens if you follow these three steps in roughly this order:
Step 1: Validate her. “That’s wonderful, you must be so pleased.” “What a nice compliment, that must have been great to hear.” “I know you’re a big fan of [Famous Person]’s work, that must feel so validating.” “How cool!”
The only rule is you must be nice for real. You can keep it brief, but you absolutely cannot be sarcastic, roll your eyes, make back-handed compliments or use this as an opportunity to make fun of her.
Sometimes with an entrenched relationship like family, it helps to ask yourself what you’d do if anyone else behaved the same way. If a friend told you they had an awesome day at work, would you shit on their excitement? Heck, if a complete stranger you got stuck next to on a plane told you all about the time their favorite musician’s bus broke down outside the diner where they worked and they ended up slinging hash for the band and their roadies, would you roll your eyes or would you say “How neat! I hope they were big tippers!” and ooh and ahhh over 3-5 photos before changing the subject? Think of this as an exercise in granting your sister the same grace you would to a total stranger who was excited to share something that made them happy.
Step 2: When it’s time to shift the conversation, don’t steer away, steer *through.* Say your sister will not shut up about the cross-stitch Beyoncé loved (or whatever). If you’re bored with celebrity endorsements, direct your praise and at least one question toward the part of the story that belongs to your sister alone: The thing she created.
If she’s a visual artist and she told the story without sharing an image of the thing, then that’s easy: Get her to show you the art and then talk about what you see. (“What a lovely shade of green,” etc.) If she shifts gears to try to talk about the famous person again, ask her another question about the work itself and the process of creating it. (“How intricate, did you nail on the first try or did you make a few drafts/prototypes first?”) Every time you do this, you have an opportunity to reinforce the message that her work is not interesting because of who likes it, it’s interesting because she made it.
People are afraid to to do this because they don’t wanna be trapped. But you’re not trapped! Once you’ve said one true compliment about the work or asked one genuine question and listened to the answer, you are free to move on.You have officially Demonstrated Interest. The conversation will either get actually interesting again because your sister has interesting things to say about her work that make you want to go deeper, or she’ll end up in a side conversation with someone else in the group who wants to learn more and you can drift away, or you will have completed the circuit where she wanted to be seen and you saw her and it will feel natural to talk about other stuff.
Step 3: Don’t wait to be asked before you talk about the stuff that’s interesting to you. Maybe you feel annoyed and frustrated sometimes because your sister gets so caught up in talking about her work and what other people think about it that she neglects asking you about your life. You don’t have to sit there forever quietly resenting it, and you don’t have to wait to be asked. If there’s stuff going on in your life that you wish your sister would ask you about, tell her about it. “Thanks for filling me in all your good news. My turn! Here’s what’s up with me.”
If you try this consistently over the next year or so, I predict that your sister will still name-drop famous people because (let’s be fair!) her work and her life bring her into contact with a whole bunch of ’em. But if you can create a ritual where she automatically gets consistent validation and praise without having to work so hard for it, hopefully she’ll chill out somewhat. Plus, if you have a reliable mechanism for changing the subject gradually, hopefully you’ll feel like a less captive audience. Doing it this way doesn’t require a ton of effort that’s different from whatever you’re doing now, and it doesn’t add friction to the situation by making your sister feel criticized, embarrassed, and attacked.
Before we go, I do not want to minimize how annoying it can be to be talked at about something that does not interest you with seemingly no regard for your level of enthusiasm or participation. This is in no way meant to be advice about how you are mean if you don’t wanna listen to your sister talk about famous people endlessly or how you shouldn’t set boundaries about how much you’re willing to engage. However, this advice is based on decades of experience of learning again and again that obsession feeds on attention. Once it has its teeth in, it doesn’t discriminate between negative attention and the positive kind. Gushing over someone’s latest crush counts as attention, but so does arguing with someone about how their special interest is inherently annoying or unhealthy. Depending on how obsessed they are, they might not need your participation so much as your presence to convert noncommittal platitudes into attention (which at least requires very little effort from you). But if someone is trying to sell you on sharing their obsession, convincing them how deeply uninterested you are counts as attention. Evangelists of every stripe positively thrive on negative attention, which is why you sometimes have to become the grey rock that they can’t build their church on.
True story, I once shared a cubicle with a woman who was fixated on getting me to go on the same series of fad diets, come to church with her, and also join Christian Mingle to “find someone to settle down with” for most of a calendar year, hitting my personal trifecta of “not technically a hostile work environment in the legal sense, but hostile enough!” I was a temp, she was staff, I was in my mid-20s and she was about to turn 30, and she saw herself in a wise mentor/cool older sister role. Roundabout the second time I told her thanks for thinking of me but I wasn’t interested in any of that and could she possibly stick to work topics from now, she burst into tears and I got a pointed call from my agency about how if I wanted to keep working then I needed to “be a team player.” Her boss would rather replace me than have to deal with her crying in his office, and I would rather keep eating and paying rent than try to force her to do her crying in his office vs. mine, so from then on whenever she jabbered at me I pretty much stuck to saying, “Right on.” Sometimes I switched it up to “Sounds fun, but I have plans” if I sensed an actual invitation so I didn’t accidentally “Right on” my way into a double date at a suburban megachurch.
“”I really like guys that value spirituality and family.” “Right on.” “I met the greatest guy on Christian Mingle.” “Right on.” “You should sign up, there are many high-value men there.” “Right on.” “My fiancé, who I met on Christian Mingle, is driving up this weekend.” “Right on.” “He’s bringing his college roommate with him.” “Right on.” “I was wondering, do you maybe want to come to church with us and then go out to eat afterward?” “I have plans, but you have fun.” “Ha, I didn’t even say which day I wanted to meet up!” “Right on.” “That restaurant has tons of salads, it’s won’t be unhealthy.” “Right on.” “We could do it either Saturday or Sunday if you wanted.” “I have plans. But you have fun!” “It wouldn’t even have to be a double date, you could just go as friends.” “Right on, but I have plans. You have fun!”
Did this make her stop talking to me? Better question, would anything short of death or an unfortunate medical event have made her stop talking to me? If I was the only person she knew who might be Christian-Mingle-weekend double-date-at-church material, then clearly we had very different views of reality, and staying non-committal and not giving her anything to latch onto or nurture into a grievance was the safest path of least resistance I could find.
That’s an extreme example, but I honestly cannot stress enough how helpful it has been to chalk whole categories of conversational topics up to “This person and I simply get excited about Different Stuff, and that is Okay.” Their level of interest and complicated feelings are not my problem to sort out, how hard I am possibly judging them inside my head is not their problem to fix as long as I keep it inside my head, we can just coexist being interested in different stuff without me having to do anything in particular about that. There certain topics where I can neither manufacture nor feign any interest, polite or otherwise, and people I simply do not like enough to try, and the full grey rock is for when I am disinterested in both the topic and the relationship to the point that I don’t care if my inattention comes across as hostile as long as they fuck off. In the case of the chatty coworker, I pulled it out only when being more direct backfired and it was not safe to escalate.
But the grey rock is not for people I want to be close to. If I’m interested in the person, then it’s worth the effort it takes for me to be interested in something simply because they are interested in it, at least for a little while. If they’re interested in me, then hopefully they’ll deal with hearing about the new Shōgun adaptation or The Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi or whatever I’m geeking out about this week. As long as we take turns and do not pressure the other person to take an equal interest in our obsession independent of their affection for us, then we can be interestingly bored and pleasantly boring together. That all leaves plenty of room to set reasonable limits such as, “Hey, that’s so exciting, but now it’s my turn to talk!” or “Fascinating, but I should warn you that have reached capacity for [topic] for today, and we need to either find another topic or plan to pick this up another time” or even “I know you want me to read your favorite book very much, but I’m not gonna and you can’t make me, so you need to stop pushing or we are definitely going to fight.” That’s all going to be easier within a context where you’ve demonstrated that you are willing to take some interest for the other person’s sake.
If your sister is hungry for attention when she shares these tidbits with you, you can try withholding it in order to teach her to look for it elsewhere, at which point she’ll work harder, and then you can starve her even harder, and then she can try harder, and then….what’s the endgame? Politely ignoring her does not seem to be slowing her down. Hence the experiment where you spend your budget of praise and attention freely and see what happens when she finds out that she doesn’t have to go hungry and you find out that you’re not trapped inside her hungers. Don’t look at it as her being ookily obsessed with fame, it’s just that you’re interested in different stuff, and that’s okay. Like the Emily Dickinson poem says, it’s exhausting to be Somebody all the damn time. You want your sister to relax and be comfortable being Nobody with you. To do that, maybe you gotta let her feel like a Somebody, just for a ,minute. Not just any Somebody, she’s your Somebody, and you love her enough to let her bore the shit out of you every once in a while. Not precisely in those words, but you get the idea.